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John T. Hogan's The Tragedy of the Athenian Ideal in Thucydides and Plato assesses the roles of Pericles, Alcibiades, and Nicias in Athens' defeat in Thucydides' Peloponnesian War. Comparing Thucydides' presentation of political leadership with ideas in Plato's Statesman as well as Laches, Charmides, Meno, Symposium, Republic, Phaedo, Sophist, and Laws, it concludes that Plato and Thucydides reveal Pericles as lacking the political discipline (sophrosune) to plan a successful war against Sparta. Hogan argues that in his presentation of the collapse in the Corcyraean revolution of moral standards in political discourse, Thucydides shows how revolution destroys the morality implied in basic personal and political language. This reveals a general collapse in underlying prudential measurements needed for sound moral judgment. Furthermore, Hogan argues that the Statesman's outline of the political leader serves as a paradigm for understanding the weaknesses of Pericles, Alcibiades, and Nici

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"John T. Hogan brings Thucydides and Plato into dialogue in this book. He does a masterful job of comparing Plato’s and Thucydides’ views of Athens as an imperial power, and their views on Pericles and Alcibiades, the nature and goodness of democracy, the purpose and value of democratic rhetoric, what counts as statesmanship, and more. The most intriguing content in this book is Hogan’s extensive treatment of Alcibiades as Thucydides saw him and Alcibiades, Socrates’ erstwhile lover, as Plato saw him. This book is an excellent resource not only for understanding ancient history but the impact of the decline in democratic rhetoric at any time." -- Laurie Johnson, Kansas State University
"This book analyzes Thucydides’ presentation of the deterioration of political debate and conceptual categories at Athens during the Peloponnesian War. In so doing, it also explores manifold points of contact between Thucydides and Plato, highlighting their common concerns and persistent examination of contemporaries such as Pericles or Alcibiades. It thus fills an important desideratum of contemporary scholarship, which is entirely lacking in book length studies of the relation between the two authors." -- Edith M. Foster, The College of Wooster

Table of Contents
Preface

Introduction

Chapter 1: Stasis in Corcyra Modelling Revolution for Thucydides and Plato

Chapter 2: Pericles: Aspiring Statesman in Thucydides, General and Sophist in Plato

Chapter 3: Athenian Speeches in Book 1: Can the Athenian Empire Aim at Justice?

Chapter 4: Democracy, Demagoguery, and Political Decline in Thucydides and Plato: The Debate between Cleon and Diodotus

Chapter 5: The Melian Dialogue & the End of the Political in the Statesman

Chapter 6: Alcibiades’ Desire for Sicily in Thucydides and for Sexual Conquest in Plato

Chapter 7: Harmodius and Aristogeiton and Political Myths

Chapter 8: Euphemus and Alcibiades: The End of the Athenian Logos

Chapter 9: Alcibiades as a Traitor and Grand Version of Meno

Chapter 10: Nicias and the Failure in Sicily

Chapter 11: Revolution in Athens: Why Democracy Failed

Conclusion

Bibliography

About the Author

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      Publisher: Lexington Books
      Publication Date: 1/15/2020 12:07:00 AM
      ISBN13: 9781498596305, 978-1498596305
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      Book Synopsis
      John T. Hogan's The Tragedy of the Athenian Ideal in Thucydides and Plato assesses the roles of Pericles, Alcibiades, and Nicias in Athens' defeat in Thucydides' Peloponnesian War. Comparing Thucydides' presentation of political leadership with ideas in Plato's Statesman as well as Laches, Charmides, Meno, Symposium, Republic, Phaedo, Sophist, and Laws, it concludes that Plato and Thucydides reveal Pericles as lacking the political discipline (sophrosune) to plan a successful war against Sparta. Hogan argues that in his presentation of the collapse in the Corcyraean revolution of moral standards in political discourse, Thucydides shows how revolution destroys the morality implied in basic personal and political language. This reveals a general collapse in underlying prudential measurements needed for sound moral judgment. Furthermore, Hogan argues that the Statesman's outline of the political leader serves as a paradigm for understanding the weaknesses of Pericles, Alcibiades, and Nici

      Trade Review
      "John T. Hogan brings Thucydides and Plato into dialogue in this book. He does a masterful job of comparing Plato’s and Thucydides’ views of Athens as an imperial power, and their views on Pericles and Alcibiades, the nature and goodness of democracy, the purpose and value of democratic rhetoric, what counts as statesmanship, and more. The most intriguing content in this book is Hogan’s extensive treatment of Alcibiades as Thucydides saw him and Alcibiades, Socrates’ erstwhile lover, as Plato saw him. This book is an excellent resource not only for understanding ancient history but the impact of the decline in democratic rhetoric at any time." -- Laurie Johnson, Kansas State University
      "This book analyzes Thucydides’ presentation of the deterioration of political debate and conceptual categories at Athens during the Peloponnesian War. In so doing, it also explores manifold points of contact between Thucydides and Plato, highlighting their common concerns and persistent examination of contemporaries such as Pericles or Alcibiades. It thus fills an important desideratum of contemporary scholarship, which is entirely lacking in book length studies of the relation between the two authors." -- Edith M. Foster, The College of Wooster

      Table of Contents
      Preface

      Introduction

      Chapter 1: Stasis in Corcyra Modelling Revolution for Thucydides and Plato

      Chapter 2: Pericles: Aspiring Statesman in Thucydides, General and Sophist in Plato

      Chapter 3: Athenian Speeches in Book 1: Can the Athenian Empire Aim at Justice?

      Chapter 4: Democracy, Demagoguery, and Political Decline in Thucydides and Plato: The Debate between Cleon and Diodotus

      Chapter 5: The Melian Dialogue & the End of the Political in the Statesman

      Chapter 6: Alcibiades’ Desire for Sicily in Thucydides and for Sexual Conquest in Plato

      Chapter 7: Harmodius and Aristogeiton and Political Myths

      Chapter 8: Euphemus and Alcibiades: The End of the Athenian Logos

      Chapter 9: Alcibiades as a Traitor and Grand Version of Meno

      Chapter 10: Nicias and the Failure in Sicily

      Chapter 11: Revolution in Athens: Why Democracy Failed

      Conclusion

      Bibliography

      About the Author

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